Deepak
Chopra, HIV & Manifestation .. New age points of endangerment .
Recently some skeptics
were shocked at an interview w/ Anthony Robbins & Deepak Chopra
where Chopra was caught making comments that seemed to be akin to HIV denial in
terms of his seeming presenting HIV not being casual factor of AIDS.
See Blog Piece By https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2015/01/29/deepak-denies-that-hiv-causes-aids/
Chopra's response to Jerry Coyne from Chopra foundation page that I just found .. http://www.choprafoundation.org/category/health
In his statement back to Jerry Coynce , Chopra seems to present that he was not denying HIV was cause of AIDS on his foundation page. He brought up his use of words “precipitating agent” about HIV and Aids.. but he did seem to blame people for their vibration for getting AIDS..
Chopra seemed to indicate that this was not a recent interview.. Most of us had no idea this was from so long ago... .. Reading this just now I feel a little better about Chopra.. Glad he put that on the Chopra foundation board that he was not denying HIV as cause of AIDS . It does make huge difference in how one sees his HIV comments. But is it right to in any way say the vibration of a person was factor in their getting an illness if you can't prove it ? What does it mean to blame a person for something happening to them due to their vibration ?
When you look at what Chopra is endorsing via Esther Hicks and the excuses he makes to let James van Praagh whom he plugs at the Chopra center to continue to endorse Doreen Virtue no matter the dangerous thing she has said on suicide ( that those who talk of it never do it ) vaccines and other things.. it's flooring. With Hicks you see a whole lot of vibrational statements that seem to indicate you via your vibration cause everything that happens to you. In Doreen Virtue you get told whatever she makes up in the name of angels... including telling people WRONG SUICIDE Info she has never corrected! Doreen Virtue seems to feel entitled to give out wrong psychiatric statements, anti-vaccine statements and is now tied to a video where a co-author tells us all about beyond the illusion of our pain our bodies are healthy?? WTH
I tweeted Chopra months ago hoping he would demand that Doreen Virtue fix all her wrong medical statements.. but he blew it off as unimportant. Even though I had hoped of all the people in the new age it would be a medical DR who would demand life be protected. He went forward to give endorsement to Esther Hicks who was listed in my initial complaint to him about the stuff James van praagh plugs.. And Doreen Virtue went forward with angel pain woo..
I was floored when I thought Chopra's comments on HIV new ( which he states they are NOT on his Chopra foundation board.. ) that some were
just now seeing the scary implications
of what Chopra’s views on life could be when applied to medicine.
Chopra has been presenting to all who will listen to him the concept of “manifestation” via the cosmic consciousness for quite some time as have many other New age Gurus including Oprah Winfrey, James Van Praagh, Esther Hicks, JZ Knight as Ramtha, etc
Chopra has been presenting to all who will listen to him the concept of “manifestation” via the cosmic consciousness for quite some time as have many other New age Gurus including Oprah Winfrey, James Van Praagh, Esther Hicks, JZ Knight as Ramtha, etc
What does it mean when someone says that our very thoughts
create the world around us?
Does that mean how we view a situation affects how we shall see our options and how we may react or …does it mean our literal thoughts create the actual reality itself as if we were in the Matrix movie ? To the New Ager they are taking it as literally creating.
Does that mean how we view a situation affects how we shall see our options and how we may react or …does it mean our literal thoughts create the actual reality itself as if we were in the Matrix movie ? To the New Ager they are taking it as literally creating.
What does it mean when a New Ager says they are going to
manifest something? Does it mean the same thing as when a
Christian says they are going to pray for something? No. “The Secret”…which plugs the new age dogma of
manifestation is based upon the energetic assumption that you are a god . You
may say you have to be kidding me right.. and I shall say to you think about it , for you to do what they
claim in your ability to manifest via the power of thought and vibration if you
could create great wealth, perfect
health , love out of nothing etc.. this
implies you are god or have god source power correct?
James Van Praagh in AZ (Feb 2014) stated it boldly when he
declared: “There is no one God. There are many gods. We are all gods. “To those aware of Judeo-Christian teaching yes this means that they are not only making themselves their very own false idols but they are also teaching others to perceive themselves as their own gods as well. Some say it boldly as James Van Praagh did, some dance around the subject with convoluted “word salads” like Chopra does in his teachings.
Those of you with any sense of solid grounding in reality , are probably well aware that you are not a god and that your cannot via your thoughts change the laws of the universe & existence.
Those of you who are
psy reactive can probably fairly easily differentiate between the concept that
thought is a form of energy that can transmit and that energy reacts with
energy and then see how this differs from the claims in the New Age that we via
our very thoughts/vibration are the main
creators of our actual universe.
When New Agers say you are from & one w/ source that
means you are god. When New Agers say you are one with the cosmic consciousness
that means you are a part of god not as in part of his creation but literally
that you are god. There is also a New Age tendency to reject absolute
right & wrong. From what I’ve seen
at Hay House: The only important things
are how you feel & how much money you can make on others . Only forgiveness
you need is self-forgiveness. It’s all about self-worship & self-love. Others are accessories to use & make money
on. It seems to me after watching Doreen Virtue (a friend of Chopra's according to one of her tweets) endanger life in Seattle when she told the mom of an actively suicidal son wrong suicide info ....that it seems in the New age you ‘re never actually required to treat followers w/ respect by being completely truthful to them as if they actually mattered or to compensate them for harm done to them by any misinformation you or any you endorse give that could harm , You don’t even have to protect their lives.. New Age “spiritual” Narcissism in action .
***What happens when
one takes New Age pantheism & the core
New Age DOGMA of “ you are the creator of your own universe” & you apply it
to medicine as an absolute when one is a MD ?
Would it not mean that you would perceive that everything
that happens to a patient’s body must be from its source (from the persons
themselves)? Would it not mean that one would deny that outside factors (
viruses , cancers etc) are ever the main contributing factors to any illness
and that outside application of medical techniques can never actually be the
real reason that causes anyone to
actually heal ? What would this sound
like if plainly presented.. maybe like a lecture by Esther Hicks where she
informs us all that medicine is just a dog and pony show working only on
belief.
Deepak Chopra is actively plugging Hicks( who tells people
medicine is just a dog and pony show) at His Chopra center! They are both tied
to Hay House. *** What kind of MD would do what Chopra is doing in plugging Hicks?
http://www.chopra.com/programs/seduction-of-spirit/april-2015
Maybe a MD who would plug this is the kind that is
denying the basis of what medicine is based on? What kind of MD would put
before a group of people a woman claiming to channel an ancient spirit
“Abraham” who tells people they can cure
themselves of any illness via the power of thought & yet had her own
husband die of cancer after he used conventional chemotherapy ?
The MD that plugs
this as real seems to be one in denial
of his moral obligation to the public to only bring forward that which is
absolutely true tied to medicine & one who is seemingly denying results .Hicks’s
husband is dead from CANCER despite having access to Hicks/Abraham. Chopra is
some how making that an unimportant footnote to think of while helping tout her
as real to the public.
Some skeptics say
Chopra has lost it and is going down dangerous ground.
My view: Chopra is just more fully &
vocally following the Manifestation teachings that he has been following for quite some time . He is doing so with the with the
same zest that a devout Muslim follows
the Koran but with Chopra his ego is
emboldened with Oprah plugging him & by the sad reality
that no media outlet calls him out as a
dangerous. He is seemingly aligning everything he presents to the
Manifestation teaching.
He is following his New age religion. I suspect that he can no more accept that the manifestation concept
cannot be an absolute and it being questioned as wrong than a Muslim who
believes in the holiness of Prophet Mohammed can question Mohammed ‘s actual ill deeds
without having to face the lies of the dogmas.
Via science.. We know
that people can become ill/ sick for a variety of reasons and that denying
viruses or germs , genetics, other
external factors actual impact as contributing factors to illness beyond one’s
thoughts could significantly impact the manner in which a person is most likely to be
treated and thus it can significantly
alter their health care outcomes.
At present Chopra wobbles between Woo manifestation & medicine. He wants to be king of the Woo and desperately
craves for those in science to bless him.
No ethical scientist could give endorsement to one endorsing that which Chopra does if they could see it fully .
The typical MD is using medicine in ways that medicine has shown works and attributes the medicine working based on actual science working, not based on the concept everything in medicine is some kind of placebo and all treatments are the same. If medicine was working just on belief and the mode of treatment did not matter, then medical school would actually not be needed.
No ethical scientist could give endorsement to one endorsing that which Chopra does if they could see it fully .
The typical MD is using medicine in ways that medicine has shown works and attributes the medicine working based on actual science working, not based on the concept everything in medicine is some kind of placebo and all treatments are the same. If medicine was working just on belief and the mode of treatment did not matter, then medical school would actually not be needed.
Skeptics
may want to ask Deepak Chopra:
1) How is he endorsing & plugging Hicks if
he believes medicine is real? If he thinks medicine is not real then he can not
be trusted to be practicing MD right?
If he thinks medicine real but openly endorses one who says it is not then it seems he is guilty of actively endorsing one spreading what he knows is misinformation to the public regarding medicine right? Does this not violate the AMA ethics guidelines?
If he thinks medicine real but openly endorses one who says it is not then it seems he is guilty of actively endorsing one spreading what he knows is misinformation to the public regarding medicine right? Does this not violate the AMA ethics guidelines?
2) How is Chopra endorsing James Van Praagh at
Chopra center when Van Praagh was caught
lying to Miklos Jako & has never apologized for it ? Deepak Chopra James Van Praagh event
3) How is Chopra endorsing James Van Praagh
with Van Praagh endorsing Doreen Virtue ? Does Chopra think we are not really
human & this correct to tell the general public about who they are?
4) Does Chopra think Pain is an illusion & our bodies perfectly healthy? If not why
is he not speaking out against this practicing of seeming pain mgt in the name
of angel woo published and endorsed by Hay House whom he works with?
5) Does Chopra think it ethical to leave wrong
suicide info in play and to endorse those who are tied to those who do so ? http://desireekrautkramer.blogspot.com/2014/07/reid-tracys-reply-to-my-letter.html Neither James Van Praagh nor Medium John
Holland have demanded Doreen Virtue fix her wrong suicide statements . They
remain in play to this day.
Who does Chopra think should have fixed this wrong information and when?
Does Chopra even think it matters that Doreen Virtue told the mother of an actively suicidal 20 yr old Black male that those who talk of suicide NEVER do it.. They just want attention. They need counseling. But they don't ever do it.? If it matters why was nothing done immediately to fix the statements?
Was it ethical for Chopra to endorse one tied to Doreen Virtue with his being aware of her wrong suicide statement? Chopra as a New age Leader should he not be setting the ethical bar high instead of helping make excuses for his friends to endanger life?
Who does Chopra think should have fixed this wrong information and when?
Does Chopra even think it matters that Doreen Virtue told the mother of an actively suicidal 20 yr old Black male that those who talk of suicide NEVER do it.. They just want attention. They need counseling. But they don't ever do it.? If it matters why was nothing done immediately to fix the statements?
Was it ethical for Chopra to endorse one tied to Doreen Virtue with his being aware of her wrong suicide statement? Chopra as a New age Leader should he not be setting the ethical bar high instead of helping make excuses for his friends to endanger life?
6) Does Chopra think psychics have any place
telling people what vaccines to take? Does He support James Van Praagh actively plugging Doreen Virtue during flu season with her having up several anti-flu shot posts that could cause New age consumers to skip flu shots due to Doreen Virtue making anti-vaccine statements no one challenges.. including Deepak Chopra.
Should psychics replace medical DRs in
any aspect?
Who in the psychic community stands to correct the wrong and
dangerous misinformation given by psychics?
Why has CHOPRA himself never stood
to correct wrong medical info given in the New Age? If he will not stand to correct his own New
Age peers( who are in any way tied to the Chopra center or to those he endoreses) giving out wrong medical info why should any respect any aspect of
the New age or him ?
http://www.leahrreynolds.com/blog/2013/01/16/Angel-Visions-Meeting-Doreen-Virtue.aspx
As you can see there are lots more than just odd HIV statements lurking near Chopra.. so many things to talk about and to ponder in regards to how he fails to call himself and all around him to true medical standards needed to protect life.
Do New Age consumers not deserve correct medical information? Do their lives not matter?
Is it James Randi 's Job to make sure Chopra and his friends don't harm or kill people in their wrong comments? Or is it the entire New Age's Job to start calling out the bull that can harm for what it is?
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